Wednesday, April 28, 2010

It's A Living

You may have read that there was a skirmish between the paps at the Gosselin house Sunday. It started over a parking space. Other than on the side of the road, which is usually not allowed, parking can be found in one of two areas. One area is about a half mile away on a connecting country road, where there is a little turnaround area with a small triangle of grass in the middle. That is the preferred area, because the other one's at Blue Marsh over a mile away around several bends down the winding country road in the other direction. One photographer has been spending more time that the others at Casa Gosselin, and he's been using the preferred space for quite some time. So much time that he's begun to feel entitled to it. So he got testy when he went to park the other day and found that some other paps had taken the parking space he now feels entitled to, and some nasty words were exchanged. According to my source the annoyed photographer is a little hotheaded so the verbal exchange wasn't that big of a surprise.

Some of my readers have asked about the paparazzi - what it's like for them, how much they make, what their relationship to J&K has been. Today I broke bread with my friend who worked for a tabloid last year and asked him some questions about all that, and here's what I learned. (NOTE: Paparazzi are usually either photographers or reporters, but are usually not both. This is because they are either professional photographers, or they are professional journalists. Whenever possible, below, I differentiate which one they are. If I use the word "paps, " then either I don't know which one it was, or it doesn't matter for the purposes of that sentence. People usually picture just photographers below the house at the fence, but there are sometimes reporters there as well. You can usually tell which is which because the photographers have very good expensive equipment while reporters have either crappy or no cameras, or sometimes they have binoculars. They all have the newest hand-held devices which allow them the virtually get images and stories to their respective employers or buyers.)

Kate has, except for one occasion, refused to even acknowledge the paps, either at her home or when she's out doing her errands. On the other hand, Jon's contact and relationships with various reporters and photographers have developed steadily since when he was still on the show with Kate. At first he just came down to the fence and signed pictures for fans, but he gradually began answering questions and engaging in actual conversations. After Jon began responding to the paps, one of the photographers went online and made a fake Jon fan site and told Jon about it to get in good with him. (That fan site was online briefly and then faded into oblivion, and my source believes Jon never knew it was fake.) Then Jon gradually started inviting paps out for drinks. A mutual understanding was established: Jon would provide photo opportunities and sound bites for the paps, and in exchange the paps would leave him alone when he went out to the bars at night so he wouldn't be photographed drunk or behaving badly. For example, he'd tell them when and where he was going to get his car washed so they could be there if they wanted pictures, and then later he could go out and party without worrying about photo evidence which might tarnish his TLC-appropriate image.

Occasionally Jon would befriend one of the paps and they'd go out to eat or party together, and then he'd switch favorties and move on to another. Boundaries became blurred as the same group of people were around each other for hours at a time at the property or wherever the action was, some of them photographers, some of them reporters, some of them bodyguards and some of them Jon. Money started changing hands when guards could be seen being handed cash for tipping off the paps about where Jon or Kate were going or even about things happening in the house. Jon also started cashing in on all the money being made outside of his TLC work, especially after the show ended and he no longer had that income. He started leaking things to the paps, and then he hired one of the tabloid photographers to be his bodyguard. Then this photographer who was also Jon's bodyguard was able to take pictures of Jon no one else could get, and he and Jon split the money they got for the pictures.

After the Deanna Hummel pictures were released TLC barred Jon from talking to anyone for 45 days. In the beginning of the 45 day press ban, Jon signed autographs at the front fence but would say "No comment," or apologetically state that he was not allowed to talk with anyone anymore. Then after a while the TLC ban was gradually forgotten and he started talking again. Ever since the tabloid shit hit the fan last year Jon has leaked a lot of stories and sometimes tried to manipulate the press by planting things. My friend told me that Jon probably leaked the ridiculous recent story about his having a rich older girlfriend from Washington D.C., which hasn't panned out to be true.

Kate has never walked down to the gate to talk to fans or photographers. She has, one time that I know of, walked down to the gate to put out the trash. This appeared very staged due to the casual yet trendy matchy-matchy outfit and nice makeup and hair, and the fact that she could see there were lots of paps out front at the time so obviously they were going to take her picture and ask her questions. She usually has the house help or nannies take the trash down. When she has the gate opened to drive in or out, she does not make eye contact or acknowledge the paps or fans, just like she does not acknowledge them at Target, Starbucks or anywhere else.

TLC currently pays Jon $5,000 a month with the provision that he is not allowed to do any other work. TLC has a one-way option of continuing this contract once it runs out. (In other words, it's their decision whether or not to continue with it, and Jon has to go along with that decision.) As most of you probably know, Jon seems to be getting along better with Kate and TLC within the past couple of days, and it now looks like he's flip-flopped and is supporting the kids doing more television, so he may be getting lined up to be in Kate's new shows or to somehow otherwise increase his income from TLC.

How much can the photographers make if they get a good image? The picture of Deanna Hummel in the car with Jon that started the whole sordid shitstorm went for $18,000 to US Magazine. The photographer who got that shot was offered $24,000 by the National Enquirer but he decided to take less so he could have a glossy magazine cover in his portfolio rather than the legendarily tacky Enquirer. The highest price ever for a Gosselin image went to the photographer who went into the trees to the side of the house where he wasn't supposed to be and took the picture of Kate swatting one of the girl's behinds. That image fetched $72,000. On the other end of the spectrum, the Stephanie Santoro picture, when she was caught on film doing the early morning walk of shame out of Jon's garage apartment, only went for $10,000, as the price for images went progressively down with each of Jon's indescretions and she was numero quartro.

Kate has never had a relationship with the reporters or the photographers, but she doesn't have to because she has TLC packaging and promoting her. My friend has spoken to her and tried to engage her in conversations several times, and the only time my friend knows of that she actually responded to a reporter or photographer was on Monday 4/26/10, at the Giant where she grocery shops. That interview can be seen here.

Has Kate manipulated the press? It's possible she has, but if so, not nearly so much as Jon. The press can manipulate too. For example, People Magazine likes to make itself sound credible by saying they don't pay for interviews. Sure they don't, but what they don't tell you is that if you're in the magazine, especially on the cover, they will pay you for the photos. Therefore Jon and Kate have probably made the standard People magazine "photo" fee of $30,000 each time they've been on the cover.

51 comments:

mommyinca said...

I wonder why Jon opened his trap from the very beginning. Was it because TLC was already laying the groundwork for Kate to be the superstar and Jon needed to take a backseat?
I don't think Kate has a personal relationship with the paps either BUT I think TLC does and I think they are in bed with People, NBC, ABC, etc and have made some sort of deal to keep Kate in a favorable light.
Jon has made his bed (figuratively and literally) and now he needs to lie in it). It's too bad too. If Jon would have kept quiet and kept his mr. happy in his pants, things could have turned out different. Then again, maybe this has been all planned from the beginning and Jon and Kate both are in on it. I don't know what to believe anymore. Thanks WG, for another great post :)

Wilma said...

Thanks. Did you ask the question why the paps don't try and get pics of Kate somewhere other than the nail/tanning/mail/grocery. Where does she go when she isn't at home? Does she have a condo near the home or is she staying at a hotel near the home or when Jon has visitation is she out of the state in NY?

Deborah said...

I've read six maybe seven of your stories.
IMO this is the only one that I felt was unbiased and has a ring of truth. IMO you did a great job on this one.

NancyB said...

Hi WG,
Excellent post! I do not understand the difference between a photographer and a paparazzi? I thought that they were the same, no?

GeorgiaMom said...

Thank you, thank you. At another site everyone was convinced it was Kate who called the paps, but now we know it was Jon. He is disgusting, she is disgusting and now, more than ever, I am convinced those kids never had a chance from the time they were conceived.

franky said...

Thanks for this post..it sure puts a new light on the situation. I think our only hope of getting peace for the 8 is to get an injunction against photos taken in private setting, whether the parents consented or not. It must be so hard to be a little Gosselin, and I imagine it'll only get worse. Sheesh. Unbelievable "parenting" by both.

marnie said...

Thanks, Werny Gal, this is so interesting.
I have a question though: If Kate does not have a direct relationship with the paps, is it true that her people/TLC do? Isn't there one 'sactioned' photog around to take pics that TLC/Kate wants ? For example, we never see pics of Kate on her off-custody days, and no one knows where she stays or lives when Jon has custody. Is there a payoff to the paps to NOT take pics of these days? Also, some of her papped photos look just too convenient for them NOT to have been tipped off.

Ellena said...

Now that is one interesting, insightful story there, Werney Gal!!
GOOD JOB!!!
Keep up the good work, so we may understand better this mess and write appropriate letters to the appropriate people.
This is one great insider story!!
Makes Jon seem even creepier.Is that possible?
Although, I have to admit, I DO believe Kate has a relationship with the paps for Radaronline. Could it be that she talks to them?

Werny Gal said...

mommainca, I personally suspect that Jon has stronger social needs than Kate and part of his growing closer to certain paps is that he has become further apart from old friends and has needed new ones. This is just my suspicion, mind you.

Wilma, Kate is very good at eluding the press. She is known to drive at very high speeds, even with the kids in the car, and at night she has been known to turn her lights off on the highway at high speeds, then take exit ramps so people following her can't see that she has exited. There is also probably less incentive to follow her to every boring place because until Monday she's never been known to comment or give an interview. It is known that she stays at a hotel in Wyomissing, where she has checked in at regular hours and also checked in as late as 3 AM. The paps know about that hotel and have tried to infiltrate but the hotel will have none of it. She has also stayed at other hotels locally. As far as I know she has never stayed with friends locally, in fact as far as I know she doens't have any friends locally. I believe she still has the apartment down south in the same town as her bodyguard Steve and she is friends with him and his wife.

Hi Deborah, I try to be very careful about only saying the truth, so if I get something wrong, it's a genuine mistake and I go back and correct myself later. Yes, I have formed opinions by now. When I started this blog, it was all a alark, and I thought it funny that this famous family in a reality show came to my little town. But I don't think it's so funny anymore. I hope you can appreciate that I welcome other opinions as long as the commenters are not abusive to myself or my readers. Love the sock puppet! :)

Hi NancyB, I tried to differentiate them in the post but I guess I didn't do the best job. I'll go back in and try to clarify more.

Marnie, everything about Kate is carefully packaged. As you can see by her "wrokout outfit stomach abs" photos of yesterday, she never leaves the house without carefully considering her image. (What a ridiculous outfit to wear to do errands, and then she bitches about wishing people would leave her alone. Talk to the hand, Kate, because the ears and the eyes think you're ridiculous.)

Kate probably has the same agreement with TLC that she's not allowed to give interviews without TLC agreement. The difference is she has always honored that agreement and Jon hasn't. She is also much more savvy about the concept of "image" than Jon is.

Hope this answers your questions, and thank you for your comments.

Wisconsin Garden Chick said...

Interesting post.

Jon has always been friendlier and more social than Kate. But clearly this activity with the photogs goes beyond that.

I do have to wonder whether Jon felt he had to cultivate them b/c he had no one in his corner. Kate may not need to develop a relationship with them b/c TLC PR takes care of all that for her. But he has been the one up against the power and $$$ of a large corporation. (For this reason alone, I tend to give him a little leeway although I recognize he's just about as venal as she is.)

Perhaps he felt he had to do this to survive - to try get his side out occasionally, to try to get some good PR for himself (in his own clunky, ham-handed way) AND to earn some cash - since they aren't letting him earn it any other way.

Katherine

marnie said...

thanks for responding to my questions...but does your source know of a direct link btw Radar/Kate/TLC/the 'steady' pap that follows Kate? The link does seem obvious - but is there any solid scoop on this? I guess TLC pays big to keep all this somewhat quiet? - Thanks!

SMB said...

You mentioned the only time you know of that Kate has spoked with the paps was when she was outside of Giant the other day. I wish I had the link handy for you (maybe someone else has it), but she also spoke to them on Saturday when she left the nail salon. The paps were asking why she's not with the kids, and she frustratedly replied that it was Jon's day with the kids and she couldn't be at the house (meaning she got her nails done as something to do to pass the time).

I feel bad for her that people criticize her for not being with the kids 100% of the time, when in fact, some of the time she legally cannot be with them (when it's Jon's custody). She's really damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't.

Werny Gal said...

Hi Marnie, Radar appears to be owned by the National Enquirer, even though they haven't confirmed it. My source thinks the NE uses radar to post things quickly so they can't be scooped. it's a good way to beat the other tabs, since it takes a few days for a printed magazine to come out.

I personally don't think TLC pays to keep anything quiet. I think they just do all of Kate's press, and maybe leak something once in a while if they want it out there but don't want it to be known they put it out. But I may be wrong, this is just what I think having heard things and having watched this circus for a long time.

SMB, thank you for clarifying, I stand corrcted. I agree with you about Kate being more harshly criticized than Jon and my personal opinion is that some of it is culterual mysogeny. We expect better parenting of her than of Jon just because she's a woman. And I think comparing their parenting is like comparing apples and oranges. They both have good areas and they both have deficits, but in different areas.

Paula Caldarella said...

Sorry, I call foul on this story and I'm starting to think so about this blog. It's so ridiculous.

NancyB said...

WG - Really appreciate that you consistently respond to all poster questions! TY. Remember pre-DWTS when Tony accompanied Kart to a TLC gala in NYC (Discovery event?) and there are pictures of her & Steeve and Tony getting into a limo with the paps? The paps had been taking pictures of her and then end up getting in to her limo! That made me believe that TLC has some in their pocket. JMO.
Also, I wonder if Tony's easy and friendly manner of dealing with the paps hasn't had some influence on Kart's recent more civil behavior with them. Or maybe watching all of the other "stars" at DWTS interact with paps in a civil manner has had some effect???

*Sugar&Spice* said...

Good article W.G

But I have my suspecions with this whole putting jon into the show again. Without the conflict and drama those 2 produce. They will not have a show. Kate is to lame to do her own show by herself. They have to use Jon to spice up the shows. Just like they have to use the kids for the show also. The only ones that want to see this show go on. Is kate " so called fan base". Since Kate really didn't make any great impression on DWTS. I'm guessing she has also lost fans.

I have a feeling this is kate's last straw of TV Land. I really dont think this is going to last that long. With or Without Jon and the kids. The woman's 15 min of fame is up.

I also have a weird feeling that Jon and Kate will get back together someday. Just for the $$ and ratings.

Lily said...

Very good article but I wish that you had touched on the fact that Kate and/or TLC are paying Radar Online for the glowing stories and pictures that they publish about her - and the trash that they publish about Jon. Also, Kate & Jon always seems to have the kids in the front yard so that ROL can get all the pictures they want/need. Kate & TLC are in bed with ROL.

bbsak said...

Thanks WG, to you and your source.

How would the paps not know when Kate was at the car dealers, or grocery store, Target, gas station, nail salon, etc unless someone wasn't tipping them to her activities? Once or twice, I'd believe it was a coincidence or they happened to tail her, but not numerous times a week for months on end especially when it coincided with her need for press or to show family time, etc. Here's another question for your source - is it the same pap who follows them in town as is stationed at the McMansion?

Do you think there has been an agreement that they'll only follow her to certain places and do you think it's Kate or TLC and her PR firm doing the 'negotiating' with the paps?

From what I've heard what Jon did last year with the paps is common. Many stars (not saying Jon is one!) make deals with paps all the time - giving them some good shots so they'll leave them alone.

WG, your speculation about Jon possibly getting work with TLC seems to be true. From the Celebrity Gossip site: "Kate will also be working on a lineup of specials featuring her ex-husband Jon Gosselin and the eight kiddies, with both series set to begin airing this summer."

MickeyMcKean said...

Thank you Werny Gal for another great post. For the record I have not questioned anything you have posted so please don't stop now.

However, a few things crossed my mind this morning and you may or may not have the answers:

1. Did the paps ever go to the house on Andrews or was it only after the Gosselins moved to your neck of the woods that paps started to show up? In other words, was it only when this "financially struggling" family bought the $1.2M house that the paps knew there was a story?

2. Re the previous owners, I read that the man was a doctor and was upset about how Kate went on and on about how dirty the refrigerator was after his family vacated the house. Do you know the previous owner? If so, did TLC pay him off so he would not sue?

3. Re the previous owners, I read that the family left their old horses there and it was because the buyers (Gosselins) were going to take care of them (this fact was kinda sorta mentioned in one of the episodes when Jon took the kids down to the barn). Do you know what happened to the horses? Were they sold? Given away?

I'm just curious, and as the truth comes out it just is going to bring up more questions.

Anonymous said...

The whole thing is a dysfunctional mess. Someday all the dirt will come out and it won't be pretty.

marnie said...

That's funny if the NE and Radar are owned by the same corp. NE has been very anti-Kate in what they print and, as we all know, Radar is very pro-Kate, to the point that there are many that think TLC controls/pays them somehow.

DH said...

All the documentation I've read indicates that Radar is wholly owned by the corp. that also owns the National Enquirer.

"Deborah" is visiting from a blog which trashes you personally on a daily basis, by the way. Most of her comments are along the lines that your "behavior" should be considered stalking and Kate should have a restraining order against you.

So, I'm not surprised that the story you've posted stating that Kate is not in cahoots with the paps, but Jon is, is the "only" post of yours she chooses to believe. I'd be careful of this particular group of "ladies" (and I use that term VERY loosely).

I look forward to purchasing your friends book. I think this person can count on a "new york times" best seller, far in advance. Good luck to both of you!

Mimi to 3 said...

Don't you just feel so honored that Deborah from the Kate fan site came on here and praised you instead of bashing for once. They claim to hate you and this site, but they just can't stay away.

There are those of us who appreciate the fact that you live there, you have eyes to see what is going on and ears to hear with and you have no hidden agendas to destroy their hero Kate Gosselin. These people will never accept the truth about her no matter how many times they are shown proof.

Thanks WernyGal for providing information that would not be out here otherwise. I for one appreciate your input.

silimom said...

First off, I just discovered your blog. It's very even handed and I enjoy reading it. Thank you for the local perspective.

Hopefully, now that Jon has his own place, he'll be able to bring the kids there and Kate won't be forced to leave her home during his time with the kids.

I do agree about Kate being more harshly criticized then Jon. Someone on a different blog made the comment "So he (Jon) knows how to play and have fun with them - so does a kindly uncle or big brother. It doesn't make them PARENTS." I have cut Jon slack for many a month now, but in the end he is every bit as poor a parent as Kate. As you said, each has their strengths and weaknesses. What they have in common, however, is a poor work ethic and a strong sense of entitlement.

The children, in my humble opinion, deserve better than the parents who bore them. Unfortunately, they can't do much about that.

Laurie said...

I too have to call BS on this story and it makes me wonder about everything else that you've written. I want to believe that what you write is true, but this makes me go hmmmmmmm......

Anonymous said...

Thanks Werny Gal. I do hope your friend does publish a book and soon. If not, I think Kate just might beat him to it. If her new shows tank than why not? We all know she is already a "great" author, why not admit to everything and tell us what we want to know. She doesn't seem to care about what people think and I don't think she will like someone else making money on her story, good, bad, or ugly. Have you seen the recent guests on Opera? Rielle Hunter, Octomom, hasbeen actors, all with a "look at me" story. I think Kate's ugly little story could top them all and she will want the cash.

MickeyMcKean said...

Re Jon being friendly

There is no question that Jon likes to get out and mingle. One of the things I noted from a GWOP poster who indicated they were neighbors said that when J&K were living at the Etwon house that Jon was liked by the neighbors but Kate was not.

I was under the impression from GWOP that Jon talked to the neighbors, waved, etc. but eventually Kate squashed Jon from being friendly.

BUT a while back there was an article in whatever web site about Jon doing XYZ and in the comment section was a comment. I remember the comment because he gave his name, said he was an old neighbor and asked him to be the "old Jon" he remembered and stop doing XYZ.

So folks here's the deal, when you buy a place with acreage, neighbors are far away. I know, I live on acreage. So I can see where Jon would go to the fence to visit with people; if nothing else he gets to interact with an adult who is not his wife.

Say NO to the Show said...

It will be the end of their show if everyone bands together and doesn't watch it. Unfortunately, I don't think that's going to happen even with the people who are so much against it. So, it will go on and on and on.

The only way to make them go away is to TURN THEM OFF!

NancyB said...

Very sad to see pics of TLC filming the children today. That the crew came "bearing gifts" I thought was hideous and like a bribe.

About the paps, Dr. Lillian Glass believes that Kate's team DOES tip off the paps. I tend to believe her for the reasons that bbsak listed above and that Dr. Lillian states here, JMO:

The papps aren’t that intrustive. I see them everyday oputside my building in Beverly Hills and have seen how they operate up close and personal. They often use telephoto lenses, especially when kids are involved. If you look at their facial expressions and thei hunched shoulders it is a clear giveaway with regard to their feeling shame and humiliation,. If the papps were involved, the other kids would notice it as well with all the flashing and they would be looking in the papps direction, which the 5 kids in back are not doing. Also if Kate is that much against the papps, she should bow out of her two shows and not allow the kids on TV and keep them hidden and sheltered from the public like many celeb parents do. Also I have no doubt that KATE or her minions called the papps to come to the airport to take photos of her as papps do NOT hang out at LAX unless they are alerted ahead of time. The certainly do NOT hang out at the Philadelphia airport unless they were alerted in terms of when her flight was coming in. That is how it works. The only place where papps are on a steady basis is at popular LA an NY clubs or eateries like Spago or Mr. Chows in LA and outside my office building at 435 N. Bedford Drive in Beverly Hills. That is where papps can find celebs going to docotrs in my building, the hairdresser, the manicurists, or having their eybrows waxed.

Dr. Lillian Glass - April 28, 2010 at 7:58 pm

Werny Gal said...

Dunwoody Mom said...
Sorry, I call foul on this story and I'm starting to think so about this blog. It's so ridiculous.
Laurie said...
I too have to call BS on this story and it makes me wonder about everything else that you've written. I want to believe that what you write is true, but this makes me go hmmmmmmm......

Hmm, gee whiz, let us guess. Dunwoodymom and Laurie...actual objective commenters who didn't come here with a hidden agenda, or separated at birth?

Emptynester said...

Thank you WG for your insider's perspective. It's nice to hear from a local person. I can hardly wait for your friend's book to come out - I might actually stand in line for that one!

sfsdgfdgdf said...

Dunwoody mom is definitely from the flog. They come here and to the lawyers blog, then go back to the flog to talk about the bloggers. Maybe they are practicing for the princess boards?

Werny Gal said...

Don't know what the princess boards are, but unfortunately they make Kate look worse by being bullies. She needs an improved image, not a worsened one.

Anonymous said...

I'm objective observer and I have to say, as this blog progressed, I started to have more and more suspicions that any of it was true. I have other reasons why I believe this is all a ploy, but if I mention them, I'm sure my comment will be rejected.

Mimi to 3 said...

Princess Boards is a sick little site of haters. They call themselves Kate lovers, but make no mistake they are haters. See, it's all in WHO you hate for them. They hate Jodi and Kevin. They call her Princess Fairy Dust. This particular 'blog' came into existence one day and then it just exploded. Blogs don't do that. They take time to build. What these few people who comment over and over again did was go to the non fan sites and make very nasty and vile comments attacking people and trying to draw them back to the flog so they could attack them in force. They are notorious for going from one site to another harassing people and preaching at them about how horrible they are for not loving Kate. I believe, as do MANY others, that it will be exposed as the flog it is. When it does, some of those commenters may be unaware of what they have been supporting. Not that it would make much difference, because you see, they are on the side of 'right' where Kate is concerned.

Keep up the good work WernyGal. It is blogs like this that will make a huge difference in the end.

Allison said...

The Princess Boards don't care about Kate at all. They just like to make fun of people who say dumb things at some sites that dislike her.

Barbara, I think you are confusing Sageway Express and the Princess forums. The forums are about lots of stuff, GWoP and J&K + 8 are two threads of hundreds.

IATK said...

Anonymous said...
I'm objective observer and I have to say, as this blog progressed, I started to have more and more suspicions that any of it was true. I have other reasons why I believe this is all a ploy, but if I mention them, I'm sure my comment will be rejected.
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Anonymous,
That claim is painted with a pretty broad brush. What specifically do you find to be a lie or questionable? I think WG is very good about accepting all comments as long as they're delivered in a respectful manner.

IATK said...

Werny Gal said...
Don't know what the princess boards are, but unfortunately they make Kate look worse by being bullies. She needs an improved image, not a worsened one.
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WG,
I, too always wondered if TLC cared about the Kate defenders and some of their anger driven posts you read on pro Kate blogs. But you know, I'm not so sure TLC cares what's said about Kate as long as people keep talking about her. If there are flogs out there and if they are TLC "inspired", their main purpose seems to be to keep the pot boiling. Their efforts towards defending Kate and her reputation seems to be a secondary consideration, if that. JMO from my observations.

Nanny said...

Who is crazier, Barbara or Nancy B? One is a crazed loon who clearly has lost whatever marbles she once had and the other broadcast she works at 435 N. Bedford Drive in BH? And she spews hate on the 15 Minutes Gosselin Style blog? Is she expecting company or inviting people over?

IDModo said...

I just went over all the posts on the 15 minutes Gosselin Style blog and nowhere does Nancy B.give her work address.Where did this take place? Are you sure you're not just posting it here to cause trouble for her? I read all her posts and none of them could be remotely construed as "spewing hate".Get a grip.

Werny Gal said...

IDModo, hopefully Nanny will answer and give you more information, or maybe the moderator went back in and removed the comment.

Chrissy said...

Regarding Nanny's comment = the person who posted her address was Dr. Lillian Glass, in a blog post talking about the paps outside her office building. Either Nancy or Barbara reposted it on the 15 Mins blog.

Teal Lake said...

Reading comprehension has never been a strong suit of the Kate defenders.
NancyB was quoting Dr. Lillian Glass who posted her Beverly Hills address.

And if it was NancyB, what would you do? Go to a huge office building and say "Where's Nancy B? She hates Kate."

If Kate fans would spend more time learning how to read and write and less time criticizing blogs and opinions they don't like, maybe Kate Gosselin wouldn't seem like such a hero.

Melissa said...

Nancy B was quoting Dr. Lillian Glass upthread. It's Dr. Lillian's address:

The only place where papps are on a steady basis is at popular LA an NY clubs or eateries like Spago or Mr. Chows in LA and outside my office building at 435 N. Bedford Drive in Beverly Hills. That is where papps can find celebs going to docotrs in my building, the hairdresser, the manicurists, or having their eybrows waxed.

Dr. Lillian Glass - April 28, 2010 at 7:58 pm

Mimi to 3 said...

Don't know who Nanny is and certainly don't want to know. All you have to do is have one negative word about Kate and you are automatically labeled a hater. Notice how she is calling people names AND releasing private information at the same time.

Allison, all I know of the Princess Boards is what I have read by some commenters at CafeMom and Sage's. I know they are two different sites. The CM people are all over anything Kate, no matter where they can find it and then they love to claim we sit at the computer all day hating on Kate. Well, you hate on us so what does that say about you.

The Sageway site is a flog.

Hippie Chick said...

I just found your blog & plan on coming back for more information. I think the kids should be taken off TV, Kate's 15 minutes are LONG GONE, and she is nothing but a famewhore. I appreciate your view to things. Thank you for your insight!

dustilies said...

Thanks for this blog, Wernygal. I'm sorry that your thoughtful posts get blasted by those who are looking for a fight, not a discussion. i really appreciate your local knowledge and professional insights.

I had a question about the actual post in question here: So, did the paps start showing up at the McMansion right away, and Jon coming down to the fence started complicated deals and relationships that started well before the Schoolteacher Scandal? Was Jon and/or Kate actually pap-worthy before the infidelity and divorce rumors began in April of 2009? Was it the move from a normal suburban home to a huge estate that sparked their interest?

eliza said...

Hmm. One pap told me that wasnt what the fight was over..

Carolina Gal said...

What I find curious is 'Dunwoody Mom' used to be at Moon's site. She was rather defensive of Jon, even when he was proving himself to be a loser, but IIRC, she often shared her problems pertaining to Kate. Do some of these SAHM just cruise the blogs, looking for a place that is argumentative?

Carolina Gal said...

I also meant to comment that I'm almost sure it was when Kate was w/Tony and he was being nice to the paps, that started Kate thinking 'maybe that's what she needed to do to make it to Hollywood'. IMO, no doubt it was as a result of Tony. Which goes to show, Kate has no 'natural' graciousness or friendliness, she is just a robotic fame whore. She does what 'she' thinks will bring the paps running. She doesn't know how to be gracious. I've always seen that in Kate.

Anonymous said...

I appreciate this blog as it is the most unbiased so far I've read. GWOP is a major hate site and some of those posters sound like crazed, hysterical women. I personally do not like Kate, not because of the show, but what I seem to gather from different internet stories. Even the Dancing with the Stars people made it sound like she was a diva, until they all back tracked. So it confirms my earlier thinking that Kate is a major bitch. I think Jon is just a clueless not thinking with his head kind of dude. A bit naive and use to having all his decisions made for him. So his current decisions have been bad ones. And typical of a recent divorced guy, goes nuts for women. And in his circle, where there are lots of EZ media whores, it's certainly different from a 40 year old balding guy with child support payments with a paunch. I do believe him when he said their marriage ended earlier in the year and that Kate ended it. So to me his 'affairs' weren't really because the marriage was mutually agreed upon to be ended. In my eyes it's like a couple that separates and dates. Still legally married, but emotionally and physically separated. Unlike infidelity when one partner is still bound by the marital vows, but the other is no longer honoring it and not telling their partner. Having worked in an industry where I or the staff have met many celebrities - the real kind like A-list movie stars - I know the public and the private are two different things. Some are just a-holes and others are genuinely 'just folks' who are kind and caring. The stories I could tell about some very well known and loved celebs who are nothing like how the public perceives them. So the image and the reality is very different and I see the same thing with K & J. I'm sure one of those small minorities that enjoy the show and watching the kids. I do miss them and I am happy they will be reappearing. However, I do have a desire that they be filmed a lot less. So if the new show focuses less on filming them, then that is much better IMHO. I say this from coming from a background of having a mom like Kate. Except we were dirt poor. So I had to deal with crazy AND be deprived. Years now I understand my mom has a personality disorder and is simply looney. I suspect Kate might have a PD too. So to me, at least the kids at least have the comforts of life and their education taken care of. My dad also was a lot like J, but disabled. My mom treated my dad worse than how Kate treated John...but the parallels are the same. If my mom put us kids in front of the cameras at a young age, at least it would have lifted us out of near poverty. We had other probs because of our financial probs - at least the 8 don't have to suffer from them. One can rail at the 'abuse' or whatever it is the 8 kids may go through, but they could have gone down a harsher and more cruel path if they just remained poor and unnoticed. I wish I was as 'exploited' on t.v. as these kid were....at least it would have sheltered me from a lot more unpleasant things. It has taken me years of therapy and a life time of making bad decisions to come to a peaceful place.