Friday, May 21, 2010

Incredible Lack of Response From PA Dept of Labor & Industry

I called Rep Thomas Murt's office this afternoon to follow up on our phone call of the week of the child labor hearings, hoping to hear that his office had heard from the PA Department of Labor & Industry regarding the issue of ensuring the Gosselins children are working only with adults who have been cleared for child abuse and criminal backgrounds.

The forms for doing these checks are easy to obtain and submit and their results are completely confidential. The individual being checked fills them out and sends them in, and after they have been filled out with information indicating that the individual either has or has not been convicted of child abuse or a felony in PA they are sent back to that individual who then gives them to their prospective employer, volunteer coordinator, or whoever they will potentially be working under. Having the info sent back to the person applying for the job or volunteer position rather than directly to the prospective employer makes this a confidential process because if someone's papers come back showing that they've been convicted of something, they can always call the prospective employer and say something like, "Gee whiz, I'm withdrawing my application because I got another job..."

These two sets of paperwork must be completed, returned and handed in prior to any direct contact with children, and any responsible Pennylvania employer knows it. You cannot work as a teacher, in a day care center, or at any agency serving children without them. I have been filling them out for years because I am on the board of directors of an agency that services children here in Berks County, and I don't even work directly with the kids the agency serves.

In the third week of April Representative Murt personally told me he'd been trying to get a response on this from Dept of L&I Secretary Sandi Vito for the previous week with no luck. He kept asking, and the Dept of L&I just kept not responding. It is now six weeks later and Rep Murt's office just told me they are still waiting for a response.

For the past several years the Gosselin children have been followed around by and sometimes been alone in bathrooms, bedrooms and the woods with cameramen and other adults such as caterers, bodyguards, drivers, and have spent prolonged periods of time alone with nannies, babysitters, etc. There is no evidence that any of these adults went through the legally-required background checks, although that evidence has been repeatedly requested by a Pennsylvania State representative. There is also, based on this clearly profound lack of responsibility taken in regards to the safety of these children, no reason to believe that clearances have been secured for any of the adults working with the Gosselin children now that filming has resumed.

Ms. Vito, please respond to the multiple requests for information you have received from representative Murt's office, and prove me wrong.

57 comments:

IDModo said...

WG- Just asking because I don't know- Do privately employed nannies require a police check in PA? They don't here although any responsible parent would ask for one IMO.Does the law require people who are not volunteers or in the professions serving children to have these checks? I would think that camera crews possibly don't fall under the laws governing child care providers, and that's how TLC gets away with it. Can you enlighten me please?

Werny Gal said...

The wording says it's anyone whose work normally and regularly brings them into contact with children, so it could be lunch room workers or anyone with regular contact with children due to their work. Any agency providing professional nannies should have them cleared.

Werny Gal said...

To clarify, it's not just child care workers, it's anyone whose work normally and regularly brings them into contact with children. So as I understand it, if you were temporarily working construction on a home where kids lived you wouldn't need to do it, but if your job involved following children around with cameras, you would. The words "normally and regularly" are key.

IATK said...

I'm sputtering here wondering why the DOL is allowed to ignore his requests? Who has leverage over the Dept. of Labor to make them comply? It seems they run their own little autonomous organization within the PA government and they are obligated to do nothing if they so choose. I'll use Kate's words here, I don't get it.

IDModo said...

Thanks WG. That clears it up for me.
I wonder if Ms.Vito is not responding because they have been having trouble getting those checks done, or with the results. I can see TLC fighting this requirement as they fought the work permits, in that they believe that PA needs their tax revenue so badly that they need not comply with any state laws.
I wonder what would happen if Rep.Murt asked TLC the question instead of the Dept. of Labour.

Irene S said...

Boy Werny, isn't this just pitiful. You would think the Gosselin parents, Figure 8 productions and TLC would want the info out there that everyone has been cleared. I am amazed at the level of "I don't give a hoot" this whole production takes...and they want us to believe they will do right by these children.

I posted this link up on 4-8 facebook page. Please keep us posted if they ever get an answer. Lordie bee....Keep asking Rep Murt...keep asking....

Unknown said...

If TLC or the Gosselins never obtained work permits in the first place, you know DOL would not have done any checks on TLC's employees. Obtaining those work permits would have triggered the background checks, wouldn't they?

The thing is have background checks been done on the crew that is filming now? Probably not because they started the new filming very quickly.

Also, does anyone know if TLC obtained work permits in FL for the filming in Orlando? Just wondering.

Tippit said...

PA Dept of Labor website:

ABSTRACT OF THE CHILD LABOR LAW (Pennsylvania)

MINIMUM AGE: Minors under 14 years of age may not be employed or permitted to work in any occupation, except children employed on farms or in domestic service in private homes. No minor under 14 years of age may be employed on a farm by a person other than the farmer. Under certain restrictions, caddies may be employed at the age of 12, news carriers at 11 years of age, and juvenile performers in the entertainment field at the age of 7. Minors and infants may be in the cast of a motion picture if special permit is obtained.

http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt/community/about_l_i/10445/kid_power/552728

I'm sure this has been discussed, but as I understand the above, the kids aren't working in a "motion picture."
As for any permits needed, good question. Guess we'll have to write Ms. Vito and ask her ourselves?

Werny Gal said...

It seems to me that making it clear that all the proper permits and background checks have been completed would make TLC and everyone else involved, including the Commonwealth of PA, look more professional and responsible. If TLC really wanted to appear family-friendly instead of just appearing to care about making money they could easily comply with this. It's cheap and easy to do.

Werny Gal said...

To answer your earlier question, IDModo, if you hire a nanny through an agency, the agency should have already done this with all their employees. That would be one of the reasons to go with a credible agency instead of hiring someone privately. But even if you hire someone privately you could still request that your perspective nanny/child caregiver apply to have the clearances and then give you the papers when they get them back in the mail prior to beginning work with the child.

Amy2 said...

Does PA have a "public records request" law? Meaning anyone can request public records of a non-confidential nature and receive information. I realize the background checks are confidential but Dept of Labor can state whether background checks have been conducted or not. And also, how about a public records request on whether TLC complied with Florida child labor laws. Just a thought.

LifeinOH said...

I'm with Itsa: who do this woman report to? How does she get away with not replying/complying?

Why can't Mr. Murt force the issue?

Irene S said...

I can see TLC fighting this requirement as they fought the work permits, in that they believe that PA needs their tax revenue so badly that they need not comply with any state laws.

IMDO, seems like TLC just wants to win more then they care about the children. TLC can walk away one day & say Jon & Kate allowed this. We see that kind of Kop~out all over this country in big companies.

On the facebook page a Minor Consideration a poster put up a link to a Little House on the Prairie actress (Mary Ingalls) She has lived in the industry & she does not recommend it for kids. Telling.

http://www.q13fox.com/videobeta/6098622d-ad78-4fb2-ad5a-1dc8f6708d26/News/Meet-Melissa-Anderson

Have a great weekend everyone.

CJ said...

Okey dokey, this post makes me proud to be a citizen of the great Commonwealth of Pennsylvania!

alana said...

This makes me SICK. As someone up thread asked, WHO has leverage over the DOL?
Aren't there any sanctions for failure to comply?
Whoever (if anyone?) has power above the DOL, IMO, should IMMEDIATELY PULL THE PLUG on this joke of a circus.
Until ALL of the proper and LEGAL paperwork is submitted and poured over by the right people, no one should be filming anything. But then, is it the DOL that are "the right people?" Sounds like a conflict of interest to me, just as "appointing someone to watch over the children's interests..." while filming; this should be "A NEUTRAL PARTY."
OMG, this just makes me SICKER all the time.

Heaven Help Us said...

bedrooms, bathrooms and woods? Oh my! Do you think Ms. Vito reads this blog?

Tippit said...

I strongly urge anyone who hasn't seen the Murt hearing to take some time and do so. The more you delve into this story, the more disturbing it gets.
Pay particular attention to the questions levied at the Labor Board representatives. They never went to the Gosselin home, as requested.

It's the second video listed:
http://www.repmurt.com/Video.aspx

Werny Gal said...

cherier1, I tried to find some sort of a flow chart of PA government today and was unable to find one so I'm not sure who is above or below who. But again, it's just common courtesy, professional or not, to return calls, and this is not about some silly little thing, this is serious. Frankly I find the whole thing bizarre.

CJ said...

Werny Gal ~
My take on the hierarchy of PA government is... the department heads report to the Governor, similar to US Cabinet postions report to the President.

http://sites.state.pa.us/PA_Constitution.html

Article IV
THE EXECUTIVE
Appointing Power
Section 8.
(a) The Governor shall appoint a Secretary of Education and such other officers as he shall be authorized by law to appoint. The appointment of the Secretary of Education and of such other officers as may be specified by law, shall be subject to the consent of two-thirds or a majority of the members elected to the Senate as is specified by law.

Taken from the web page for Gov Rendell:

Governor's Cabinet Officials

The Governor's Cabinet comprises the directors of various state agencies. These directors, are appointed by the Governor and confirmed by the Senate. Each Secretary is responsible for the oversight of his or her agency. An equally important responsibility of all Cabinet members is advising the Governor on subjects related to their respective agencies.

Tippit said...

3/16/09 (Sandi Vito)

Pennsylvania Labor Secretary Arrested
CNN - Anderson Cooper
http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2009/03/16/pennsylvania-labor-secretary-arrested/

PA Acting Secretary of Labor and Industry, Sandi Vito, arrested on public drunkenness charge, 3/16/09.

kimmie said...

i'm sorry but i don't think it is anyone's business but a parent's to require background checks etc for nannies and babysitters. it should be at the parents' discretion not ours.

unless there is proof (and i don't mean "someone said") that the gosselin kids were alone with the film crews, mic guy etc for any length of time i don't think it should be a topic for the government to handle.

GeorgiaMom said...

Ha, ha. I was wrong. Now the pap photos are gradually emerging of the Discovery Cove trip. Just in time to promote the show.

There they are: all dressed up in new vacation clothes and Sketcher shoes with the bodyguard. I wonder if they got any unflattering shots? Oh yeah they did; Kate in a bikini.

I want to add that I, too, am disgusted by PA lack of response. Either TLC has worked a deal or somebody is incompetent. We need to get somebody's ear to investigate this.

Babsy said...

The government at work. Heard a story on TV the other day about a Federal Census worker going door to door getting census data and a woman recognized his name/face with one she had seen on a Sex Offender Data Base for her area. A background check for this guy was never completed BEFORE they assigned him to go door to door! Another incidence of closing the barn door after the horses are out!

There are just no sufficient words to describe the utter incompetency of the PA Dept of L & I to protect its most innocent citizens

IATK said...

Janet Palazzotto posted this link on the 4-8 Please Boycott FB page.

For those who think background checks aren't that important....what if this was YOUR child on the set (in the production home). Why is this an issue that even needs to be debated? Is it so awful to want to keep child molesters AWAY from children?

http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news%2Fstate&id=3735530

Nickelodeon Production Assistant Arrested for Child Molestation

Saturday, December 17, 2005

Werny Gal said...

Kimmie, what is your objection? Having background checks on nannies is like having First Aid/CPR certificates for swimming pool life guards. The background check, like the CPR training, is directly related to the quality of service provided.

Taking this one step further, if a nanny was applying to care for your children and they showed you First Aid/CPR certificates, would you not also be even more impressed if they showed you their certificates of child abuse clearance and criminal background clearance?

I don't know how many kids die in this country of drownings in swimming pools every year, but one out of every four girls and one out of every 5-7 boys is sexually abused under the age of 18, with over 95% of the abusers being someone they know and trust. These are epidemic statistics. If these were cancer statistics, curing cancer would be a national priority.

Parents cannot be too safe. Of course, parents who would request backround checks would also be the kind of parents who talk to their kids about how precious they are and that their bodies are private, and they have'd be the kind of parents who talk with their kids about feelings.

Readers, do you think Jon and Kate are these kinds of parents?

MickeyMcKean said...

kimmie said...
i'm sorry but i don't think it is anyone's business but a parent's to require background checks etc for nannies and babysitters. it should be at the parents' discretion not ours.

unless there is proof (and i don't mean "someone said") that the gosselin kids were alone with the film crews, mic guy etc for any length of time i don't think it should be a topic for the government to handle.


Kimmie,

You are entitled to your opinion as I am entitled to mine and in regards to your above post, I respectfully disagree.

For starters I can think of two instances ON FILM where neither Jon nor Kate were in the room when a scene was filmed:

1. Tups potty training in laundry room

2. Tups hitting each other and parents saw the film footage of the incident at a later date. In fact Kate specifically said she had no idea what had happened and that many times she has seen things after the fact.

Whereas I think most parents would insist on background checks these days, not all parents do which is when we viewers see a sad story on the news.

IMHO Jon and Kate are more interested in marketing the tups for fame and fortune versus being concerned for their safety and insisting on background checks.

Whereas Jon has admitted that he knows he has exposed his kids to every pedophile out there, to this day I do not see a bodyguard with the kids, just Kate.

So if it appears that the Gosselin parents have dropped the ball because they assume that TLC is in compliance with the law, then yes, the government has the right to step in.

JMO.

Tippit said...

We could fill a book:


MOLEST VICTIM PROTESTS AT DISNEY FILM RELEASE;
Director served prison term for sex crime 7 years ago
http://www.vachss.com/mission/disney.html


(Thanks, Itsa)
Nickelodeon Production Assistant Arrested for Child Molestation
Saturday, December 17, 2005http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?section=news%2Fstate&id=3735530


Okay, so who's the comedian pretending to be "Kimmie."

IATK said...

kimmie said...
i'm sorry but i don't think it is anyone's business but a parent's to require background checks etc for nannies and babysitters. it should be at the parents' discretion not ours

This begs the questions, would you or do you request background checks for your children's providers?

And second, how will you feel WHEN your child or a child in your family is molested, because the odds are pretty good that it WILL happen. It's happened in my family and I would bet in most families somewhere down the line. When do we say enough is enough? Are we not our brother's keeper? JMO of course.

Werny Gal said...

Kimmie, hope you're not feeling too beat up here. The point is it would be nice if all parents always had their children's best interests in mind when making parenting decisions, but the fact is sometimes they don't. Therefore we need rules and regulations to take up where parents sometimes leave off.

Tippit, I see your link goes to Andrew Vachss' site. I love me some Vachss!

Werny Gal said...

True, we can't totally prevent it, but we can minimize it more than we do, and if there's an option of doing something that's cheap and easy to do and greatly minimzes the risks, why not do that?

Lily said...

There appeared to be no parent present in the episode where the twins play mommy - specifically, when Mady was spreading a blanket on the floor downstairs in front of the TV. She was rolling around,kicking her legs here and there and the camera seemed to be spending far too much time focusing on her crotch. Many of us were extremely disturbed by this. Mady seemed to be alone with only the camera and sound guy - there was nothing that indicated that either parent was present.
**Important** I'm not saying anything happened but I'm using this as an example of what appeared to be a child that was without either parent. This is the video on youtube at 14:19. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFQ_6esOArk

Mimi to 3 said...

I had no idea the statistics for sexual molestation of children was so high WG. One out of 4 girls. That is beyond all comprehension. How can anyone possibly be against trying to prevent this rather than trying to help children after it has happened. It would be worth anything and everything to prevent it so they can have normal, happy childhoods. Of course, I'm sure it can't be totally prevented, but if there are ways to prevent it -- i.e. laws that could be followed stringently -- then it should be. This is definitely not just a parental responsibility. With statistics like this, it is a societal responsibility.

Tippit said...

Another one from the annals of "pedophiles who've worked in the film industry."
And I think we might have our winner.
Besides working around children, he's a "pedophile activist." That's right. He thinks we're the twisted ones.
Christopher Wrigley:
http://www.wikisposure.com/Appy

IDModo said...

At the time of Miss Vito's appointment, some Republican legislators opposed her becoming Secretary of Labor, and had some questions about her appropriateness for the job.
Could this stalling be some kind of arrogant payback? I don't know if Rep.Murt was one of the people who opposed her.

I Have Questions said...

kimmie said...

unless there is proof (and i don't mean "someone said") that the gosselin kids were alone with the film crews, mic guy etc for any length of time i don't think it should be a topic for the government to handle.

If you’re the kimmie that posts at another blog, I read you saying you watched every J&K8 episode and the reruns, so surely you saw the episode where Kate took all the kids for a gymnastics class and Cara and Mady were filmed changing clothes. Was Kate there? If she was, why on earth would she allow her children getting undressed to be filmed?? If she wasn’t there, she SHOULD have been! That scene was outrageous and uncalled for and between Kate, the film crew, the editors, production staff, etc., viewing it before it was televised, it still made it on to TV. That incident alone tells me Kate is not concerned for her children’s privacy, nor does TLC have any moral ethics whatsoever. Who do you think should be around to monitor that lack of caring and protect those children from that kind of blatant exploitation. kimmie? Their mother isn’t doing it, their employer isn’t doing it.

Werny Gal said...

Tippitt, I removed your comment. Please do not come back until you use your own user name that does not impersonate one of my regular commenters.

alana said...

And then there was Mady, wrapping and unwrapping herself in a blanket, all alone on the floor of the basement...oops!

I mean she was alone WITH the camera guy...

There was Mady, looking up at the camera guy...

bbsak said...

I think Kimmie was talking about the Gosselins as private citizens when she said she didn't feel we had a right to question their choices - a line that is difficult to balance with the Gosselins, imo, but one we need to acknowledge. Parents hire babysitters and nannies everyday to watch their children and is it really our right to question who our next door neighbors hire or what safeguards they put in place for their children?

Our society and laws are not so strict, nor do they reach into a parent's right to choose caregivers for their children, etc. I would imagine that very few parents could affirm that they'd background checked and certified their babysitters. Should it be done? Of course. Is it? No. But, it doesn't mean it's illegal nor that our government should step that deep into this area of parent's rights.

But, forget the arguments about parents rights in choosing caregivers because the Gosselin's have chosen to film their children for a tv program and they've stepped into another arena completely (when filming). There ARE laws in place that they and TLC and Figure 8 must follow for any nanny/babysitter/bodyguard/aide working per contract and all production personnel.

Where is the enforcement?

I'm not sure and I'm not in a position to initiate anything myself, but I'd think that someone could initiate a lawsuit against the State of PA, it's Dept of Labor, and all concerned, for breaking and/or not enforcing the law they all agreed to follow. Am I off base here? Why is there no one - Rep. Murt included, taking this to the press, the floor of their Congress, etc?

I respect Rep. Murt for stepping into the fray and taking the initiative to write new legislation to protect children in the entertainment business, but I wonder if I, and others are asking too much of him. Werny Gal, you said Rep. Murt's office has been waiting for 6 weeks for a response. How long do they think is appropriate to wait (until the end of summer and filming has stopped)? Are they planning to take other actions? Rep. Murt is a legislator, not an enforcer of the laws, and perhaps he can't pursue this matter further, maybe he doesn't have the authority to push farther, or perhaps he'd be committing career suicide if he pushed more forcefully against the PA Dept of Labor.

Every child in PA and elsewhere needs protection. IF there are laws in place they must be followed and if they are not, there must be appropriate consequences for those who choose to ignore them.

But, here we are - YET AGAIN, with the State of PA choosing to ignore the situation. Until enough noise is made that attracts enough attention it will be business as usual for children in PA and elsewhere. It should be a crime for our government officials to ignore the laws they are charged to enforce. Ms. Vito being one of the first to answer for her department "doing business as usual", YET AGAIN.

bbsak said...

I apologize; I made a big mistake when commenting on Kimmie's statement -- I didn't remember the second sentence where she included the film crew not needing background checks - which I totally disagree with!

To clarify my position -- Any and all adults who come in contact with the Gosselin children due to filming must go thru the proper background checks.

IDModo said...

WG- Ten or so years ago when I was working with young offenders, the stats were even higher- one in three girls, and one in four boys "was subjected to unwanted sexual attention" before the age of 18. This may mean though that that not all of them were actually molested, so your stats are likely closer to the mark.I have given presentations to groups of random women in which some form of s/a was the norm rather than the anomaly.
The Gosselin children are expected by their parents and TLC to form relationships with people with whom they otherwise would not come in contact.They are expected to "be nice" to everyone and do as they are told by adults.
How are they going to be able to distinguish between the right and wrong directives they receive? And if they were molested, would anyone listen and believe them? There's a lot of money involved here.I believe it would not be safe for them to disclose abuse if it were happening, especially since their one advocate, Jodi, is no longer allowed in their lives.
I can see it being hushed up and the children discounted for the sake of the show.
I hope I'm wrong about these possibilities but I don't think so.

IDModo said...

Sorry to keep posting so much today but I have to get this off my chest. I have been putting information about the inadequacy of the PA child abuse laws on just about every blog I can find, explaining why they are inadequate, asking people to please review them and then try to change them. Strangely, the most comments I have got were from other Canadians. Nobody else to the best of my knowledge as yet has commented on the fact that they have even bothered to look at them.I know you are well aware of them WG and this is not directed at you or at this blog.Why is the blogging world not outraged? Is it because I'm a Canadian and should mind my own business? I don't get it... Thanks for listening to my rant everybody....

Werny Gal said...

IDMod, your being Canadian has nothing to do with it. The fact is we Americans have this grand delusion that our children are a priority but our laws and child abuse statistics tell a different story. And people are amazingly uneducated about it. It's so much easier and more pleasant to just live our mundane lives and pretend everything's okay than buckle down and do the work we need to do, just like it's so much easier and more pleasant to watch a reality TV show with a family in crisis and convince ourselves it's innocuous and no one's being hurt. Who wants to hear the truth? That would take all the fun fantasy away and mean having to do something about it.

Me (Google is giving me fits (Cherier1) said...

"IDMod, your being Canadian has nothing to do with it. The fact is we Americans have this grand delusion that our children are a priority but our laws and child abuse statistics tell a different story. "

WG, you nailed it.

kimmie said...

i don't know that i said i've watched every show of j&k+8 but did say i wacthed the j&k shows. and i did watch the one where kate took the kids to gymnastics.

if you're going to get upset with that then do you get upset with the commercial (for fabric softener i think) where they show a toddler naked and putting on a shirt? more than once?

do you get upset and create hate blogs and protests for the network that shows the masche kids running around naked on the cameras? a whole lot more than the gosselin kids' bottoms were ever shown.

i did see the mady and cara play mommy show. i saw mady on the floor rolling around. it never entered my mind that the sound guy was "focusing on her crotch". that amazes me that anyone would see that scene and think that.

i just think it's the negative feelings toward kate that have precipitated these actions and feelings and keep them going. if one person is wrong for something then the commercials and other shows are just as wrong...yet never mentioned.

as a former (elementary) and current (sunday school) teacher as well as a parent i have been required to have a background check and have been very watchful in the daycare my child was in.

having never had a nanny i can't speak to that but i can say that i'm sure i would have researched the references, background of one had i been going to hire a nanny.

that said, i have no idea if tlc and/or jon and kate did background checks or required them. although i do think surely tlc would have done so with any crew on any of their shows that had children on it as a precaution against any kind of lawsuit which might come up.

but since i don't know i am not going to accept as fact that tlc didn't do a background check.

i also think that the gosselin kids were not left alone with the crew, a parent/relative was in the house. maybe we didn't always see them in the same room but how do we know they weren't?

i am just not willing to say that the gosselin parents didn't care enough about their kids that they left them alone with someone who could have been a pedophile. and unless anyone knows that for sure why would you say that?

SoCalGal said...

I think what Kimmie is missing is that by not getting these background checks for anyone on that production set TLC is breaking the law.
If in my opinion I feel like driving while drunk and am pulled over and the officer is arresting me for a dui, should I tell him/her in my opinion I am not breaking the law. It isn't up to us.

kimmie said...

how do you know that tlc didn't get the background checks on all of their employees? that's what i don't understand.

Werny Gal said...

It has already been established that none of the child labor permits or child abuse clearances were ever applied for in all previous seasons of filming. That is an established fact. As for if the proper permits and clearances were applied for and verified prior to the previous filming? Rep Murt has been trying to get verification of that for the past six weeks and the Secretary of the Dept of labor & Industry has not responded to his many requests for that information.

By "secretary" I do not mean a secretary who sits at a desk and answers the phone. I mean the person whose position is second only to the Governor and who manages 6000 employees.
http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/server.pt?open=514&objID=607653&mode=2

IDModo said...

Somebody on another blog finally commented that they were from PA and aware of the child abuse laws.I feel better now.

SoCalGal said...

If TLC had the background clearances they would have announced it. Just like they announced that the working permits were obtained.
And this isn't just about the G8. It applies to all other reality programs who are "employing" children.
Both J&K have stated this is the Family Business so ihmo all 10 Gosselins are working.
Also does anyone know if the other reality programs with minors have obtained the proper paperwork to allow them to work?

Gab22 said...

I was just watching netflix, and can't remember when...but it showed Kate changing one of the girls and even though it was shot from the side, you could see her private parts.

I don't remember this on TV but after all that has happened, I was shocked.

And as for all the time kids spend on camera, if it was a LOVING parent giving direction it would be one thing, but by Kate's own admission, she is the disciplinarian. She has no empathy for her kids...and would "drive" and berate them to what she wants from them. Sad.

This has to be made into a nationwide political issue. NO reality shows for kids under, say 12.

SoCalGal said...

Is it possible that the "Secretary" is receiving monetary consideration from TLC?

Werny Gal said...

Correction: By "As for if the proper permits and clearances were applied for and verified prior to the previous filming? Rep Murt has..." I meant to say "As for if the proper permits and clearances were applied for and verified prior to the CURRENT filming? Rep Murt has..."

Puddymoors said...

Hi All,

I too watched the episode with Mady and saw nothing wrong with it. I think that it is important to remember that the fellow doing the shooting (and the female who is asking questions) are people too! Doing a job that they are paid to do and the chances are it's completely innocent.

In Queensland where I work, in Australia ALL people who work in any capacity with children are required to have a 'blue card'.
Here is a link to the site that explains them.
http://www.childsafety.qld.gov.au/fostercare/blue-cards.html
Perhaps this is something that PA needs to look in to?

I Have Questions said...

kimmie said...i don't know that i said i've watched every show of j&k+8 but did say i wacthed the j&k shows.

Kimmie, I’m not going to belabor the point of what you said and didn’t say, however, if you go to 15 Minutes Gosselin Style and check out your reply on the Jon Tees Off post at May 20, 2010 9:39 PM, you’ll see that I did not misquote you.

Kimmie said…"if you're going to get upset with that then do you get upset with the commercial (for fabric softener i think) where they show a toddler naked and putting on a shirt? more than once?

"do you get upset and create hate blogs and protests for the network that shows the masche kids running around naked on the cameras? a whole lot more than the gosselin kids' bottoms were ever shown."

With regard to the fabric softener commercial, I’m not sure I’ve ever seen it, and I don’t know who the Masche kids are. Sorry.

You’re continual questioning did bring up a memory from a while back though. I had CNN on the night TWA flight 800 exploded. I saw the first film footage of the disaster, and I’ll never forget the image of a woman, eyes closed, wearing an orange life jacket. She was just floating in the ocean, and I heard a voice in the background say, “We’ve got a ‘floater’ over here.” That particular piece of footage was never shown again, because the woman was dead and the news channels do not show close ups of dead people. It was a mistake that it was shown and there was even a bit of commentary on such a mistake being made.

My point is, the media has determined to show respect for the dead by not exploiting such images (for greed, entertainment, ratings, sensationalism---you choose). I think the media should show the same respect for children who also have no voice in how they want to be seen/remembered/archived on the internet forever. So as many instances you care to throw out regarding children shown in compromising, suggestive, embarrassing situations they have no voice about, I’ll post back to you, that, YES, I am going to get upset.

kimmie said...

i don't think tlc announced they had the permits. the media did that. i doubt tlc cares to announce any compliance because they don't think it's anyone's business but their own and the government agency with which they are complying.

all this being said, thanks for posting my opinions. i didn't come here to do anything except maybe make others give pause when hearing that there are other opinions out there...opinions that aren't from a blind kate-lover, but from a woman who just doesn't get all the hate and thinks sometimes things just are what they are and not evil and bad.

Mimi to 3 said...

Kimmie, there has most definitely been filming done when there was no one in the room but the filming crew. Kate herself said, after viewing the episodes that she was unaware that certain things had happened because she wasn't there and she sent a very pointed and nasty look at the film crew as if it were their responsibility to tell on the kids. She expects others to monitor her kids instead of herself. She has made these comments on more than one occasion on the show. It is recorded for all eternity on every DVD out there. The Kate fans love to make every excuse in the book for what Kate meant or did not mean. Then they turn right around and say to the non-fans 'how can you say anything about what Kate meant, you don't know her'. That's right I don't know her, but neither do you or any of us on these blogs. But what we can do is listen to what she said on those episodes.

Werny Gal said...

Kimmie, this blog is not a hate blog and it is not against Kate. If you're a parent and have worked with children and watched the show, can you not see that Jon and Kate have made some poor parenting choices, and that TLC has at times acted in the best interest of their revenue rather than the best interest of the children? Two glaring examples are pretending to have an intact marriage for two years, including have a fake renewal of marriage vows all the way over in Hawaii, just to keep the show going, and tricking the kids into thinking it was Christmas morning, and then after all their excitement at coming downstairs and opening their gifts informing them it wasn't realy Christmas and all the hoopla was just to film a show episode. Were those two instances acceptable to you?

This is a blog where we discuss these issues because we feel they are important. There are other blogs where the owners just discuss good things about Kate, and that's fine, but that's not what we do here.